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- Subject: Great Books
- From: bsrkz@xxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2026 23:01:14 +0000
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When I consider what I use in practice to judge whether a book is a 'great book', it seems that it is its continued relevance to intellectual debates of general interest. Of course, this account basically amounts to saying that what matters is whether a book is relevant to philosophy. If we use such a criterion, it is fairly easy to see what is part of the canon by simply reading to or listening to contemporary intellectual works. It is hard to deny that Aristotle, Descartes, Locke, Euclid, Darwin, etc. meet this criterion. Oftentimes these thinkers are even explicitly mentioned by name, in other cases they are not but it is not hard to figure out the origin of the theories or arguments (Darwin is obviously the original source for discussion of evolution by natural selection, for example); in other cases, it might be more difficult. Let us look at some examples of great books (or authors of great books) and see what makes them great. With Plato, we have the Socratic method, the existence of an eternal, unchanging reality in addition to the changing temporal world, the noble lie, etc.; with Aristotle, we have the four causes, substantial forms, Aristotelian syllogisms, happiness as dependent on one's nature, the prime mover, foundationalism, genus and species, etc.; with Descartes, we have Cartesian dualism, the evil demon thought experiment, the importance of reason in knowledge; with Locke, we have the distinction between primary and secondary qualities, Locke's notion of an 'idea' which seems to have inspired the concept of what is now called 'qualia', the distinction between simple/complex ideas, the infinite regress argument against the claim that there are nominal definitions for all words, the labour theory of property, the social contract as being passed down by property transfer, religious tolerance, etc.; with Kant, the distinction between categorical and hypothetical imperatives, analytic and synthetic knowledge, the view that supposed synthetic a priori knowledge is due to how our mind is structured, etc.; with Euclid, we have a system of geometry starting from basic axioms including the parallel postulate (relevant to debates about knowledge and metaphysics); with Smith's _Wealth of Nations_, we have the first systematic treatment of economics, which advocates for the free market based on a simple model of human economic behaviour; we have Galileo's paradox, where the quantity of natural numbers and their squares seem in some sense to be the same, since for every natural number, there is a corresponding square, but the natural numbers include both the squares and other numbers, so it seems to be more: and of course the examples go on. Now, there is a question of whether books that meet this criterion are worth reading. If you think that engaging in the intellectual discussions that are influenced by these books is worthwhile, and reading these books is necessary to engage in those discussions, then clearly reading these books are worthwhile (at least if the debates are worthwhile even given that you must read these books). But presumably, it is not really an absolute requirement to read the books, since you could read or listen to expositions of the same theories/arguments elsewhere; still, reading the books might be one way of doing it, and it might have certain advantages. We can at least say that given the value of engaging in the discussions, there is pro tanto reason to read the books if they help you engage in the discussions (although it might be outweighed, and there might be better alternatives). Reading the historical books might have the advantage that you can also learn the historical development of the intellectual tradition, which perhaps has some value. If you think that contemporary English language intellectual culture is worthless, then of course, you will not think that these books are worth reading on account of their relevance to it. Now let us look at certain types of works to judge whether they can be considered great works by the same criterion. In the case of fictional works, it seems harder to justify their inclusion by the criterion of continued relevance to contemporary intellectual debates. All you need to do is to read/listen to intellectual works to see the influence of Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, etc. But I fail to see much influence from Shakespeare or Homer. In the case of Shakespeare, you might get a quote like 'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy', but this is hardly a significant contribution. The mere occasional reference is not enough to show that it counts as a 'great book'. For example, the example sentence 'Sherlock Holmes lives on Baker Street' is often used in philosophy in certain discussions, but reading Sherlock Holmes will not help you contribute to the discussions in any way. In the case of music and paintings, these do not seem to contribute to intellectual discussions at all, with the only exception being that such works might be used in discussions about aesthetics -- literature also can be used as examples in discussions about the aesthetics of literature. Of course, even works of popular fiction can be used in this context. What about non-Western works? If we judge them by their continued influence on English-language intellectual debates, then many or all of them will be excluded (although, you can see some non-Western influences occasionally). If these works are irrelevant to English-language discussions, and your goal is to be an active participant and you only understand English, then such works are irrelevant. There are very few people advocating for Confucian views who are writing or speaking in English. You could still engage by thinking about the theories (or arguments if any are provided) and having imagined discussions, of course, which might be of some value even if you do not engage with any defenders of the beliefs. Without familiarity with the non-English intellectual culture, one cannot judge whether it is worth engaging with in the first place, and cannot judge what books are relevant to it; and gaining familiarity with the intellectual tradition is harder if it is not practised in a language one understands. Of course, it is possible to rely on people who do have familiarity with the other traditions to recommend books to read at least; and we can, in some cases, read translations of contemporary works to see if there are interesting debates happening. The mere fact that books have some lasting influence is not enough to meet the criterion, so just pointing out that there are Confucians or Taoists would not be enough. However, perhaps these books are still worth reading. If your goal is simply to find the truth, you might say that the fact that many people take the works seriously is some evidence that truth can be found in them (although this would still be different from merely being influential -- Shakespeare is influential, but not in the sense of influencing people's beliefs). Of course, this is not a very reliable heuristic, which is obvious from the fact that people often have very different beliefs (and although you can claim that sometimes they are like the blind men and the elephant, this is clearly not always the case). Some works from other traditions might also challenge assumptions that you take for granted, which can be beneficial. But it is hard to judge what works will have this benefit. Some works might be too similar to existing canonical works so as not to add anything. Other works might be lacking in anything that is worth taking seriously, even if it does represent an alternative view. If other traditions use similar methods, they might end up discussing similar things; if they use completely different methods, it might be that those methods are inferior (assuming that the methods employed in the Anglophone intellectual tradition are already the best available), and perhaps what they discuss will be of no interest. For the works to become part of a global canon (recognised by speakers of English), however, it would be necessary for there to be more influence on English-language intellectual debates by these works than there currently is. I do not know if this will ever be the case. If someone thinks that these works have something of value, rather than trying to get people to read them based on arguments that they are likely to contain something of value, it would be better for those people to advocate for the views/arguments directly within the existing tradition: if this happens enough, those works will naturally become part of the canon. This all being said, on a personal note, I had already planned to eventually read most if not all of the fiction works contained in the _Great Books of the Western World_ collection (at least the first edition), and I have already read some. Additionally, I planned to eventually get around to reading some of the influential non-Western works as well. But even if I plan to read something eventually, I do not think that it would be reasonable for me to insist on chronological order, and I need to prioritise some works over others -- I think that it is reasonable for me to prioritise the works for which I have greater evidence that they will benefit me in some way. Also, I am hesitant to recommend that others read something just because it has been influential in some way or because it has influenced many people's beliefs in some way -- this would presumably lead to their wasting a lot of time.